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john borg



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PostSubject: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:42 pm

Il Uefa qeghda tahdem sabiex tintroduci aktar regolamenti fil licenzji taghha, li huma rikjesti biex team jikkompeti fil kompetizzjonijiet Ewropej.
L-aktar wahda importanti (u ikkomplikata) hija il "break even rule" li ma tippermettix klabbs joperaw bit telf ghall perjodu ta zmien twil u indefinit.
Dan ser issir biex il football ma jibqax jigi ipperikolat min infieq bla razan, dejn inkontrollabbli u metodi ta sostenn finanzjarju li jhallu injection ta flus li mhumiex gejjin mill football, jew min introjtu gej min negozji irreletati mal football, bejh ta players ecc.
Dan bhallissa qieghed jigi diskuss ma l-ECA sabiex l-impatt ma jkunx wiehed hazin ghall klabbs u biex jinghata zmien bizzejjed biex il klabbs jaddottaw ruhom.

Haga importanti ser tkun l-introduzzjoni ta "squad size limitation" li tippermetti kull klabb fit top leagues ta kull pajjiz jirregistra biss 25 player kull stagun, u minn 3 sa 5 f'Jannar. In numru ta players U21 mhux ser ikun inklux f'dan numru.
Dan kollu jfisser li klabbs kbar u sinjuri (jew b'presidenti affluwenti) ma jistghux jixtru kull player li jkun fis suq, b'detriment ghall finanzi ta' l-istess klabb, pero aktar importanti sabiex ma jinholoqx inflazzjoni ta' prezzijiet esagerati ghaliex ikun hemm minn jixtri akkost ta' kollox, li jkun qieghed iservi sabiex johloq super teams li jhallu effett negattiv fuq il kampjonati rispetivvi.
Ma jkunx aktar possibbli li klabb ma jurix ezatt id dhul legittmu tieghu mil football, jew introjtu irreletat mal fooball.

Dan kollu ser jigi introdott mil lis-stagun 2011-12 il quddiem ghaliex il Uefa tibza li bhall ma gara f'setturi ekonomici ohrajn, jista jigri wkoll fil football, li jfisser kollass totali tal football ghaliex hafna klabbs saru jiddependu min sidien sinjuri li jistghu x'hin iridu jiefqu hesrem mill football malli jaraw il maltemp, b'detriment tal klabb, u wisq aktar tal kredituri ta' l-istess klabb.
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:25 am

Hahahahaha sour grapes john. Mux normali li toqghod tghidilna li dahlet regola gdida ahseb u ara regola li tkun qeda biss tigi diskussa.. Ghalura jek club a ikun kapaci jakwista sponsor enormi mil kumpanija tal president tijaw stess? Ma kontx naf li fil uefa joqghodu jahlu I'll hin hhekk
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:46 am

proset tar risposta tal gate money john fuq largument Wink narak gbin forza stipes !!
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:11 pm

Ta min jifhem din id-diskussjoni ghax ser tolqot wahda sewwa lil klabb (UNIKU gewwa Malta) li huwa professjonali Exclamation
Issa jew tghiduli GIDDIEB u nara KBIR jew jekk hi verissima allura l-MFA u l-GVERN irid jinvestiga.
Il-belt ghandhom bi euro 80,000 pagi fix-xahar! huwa minnu dan? it-taxxa u l-VAT? fejnhom il-karti? hemm xi awditur jista jinvestiga?
Is-Sur Xriha u shabu ta wara l-kwinti jistaw jghidu min fejn gejjin dawn l-ELUF kollha?!?!

Nerga nghid....nispera li jien GIDDIEB u qed nisma HAZIN
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:33 pm

marcam wrote:
Ta min jifhem din id-diskussjoni ghax ser tolqot wahda sewwa lil klabb (UNIKU gewwa Malta) li huwa professjonali Exclamation
Issa jew tghiduli GIDDIEB u nara KBIR jew jekk hi verissima allura l-MFA u l-GVERN irid jinvestiga.
Il-belt ghandhom bi euro 80,000 pagi fix-xahar! huwa minnu dan? it-taxxa u l-VAT? fejnhom il-karti? hemm xi awditur jista jinvestiga?
Is-Sur Xriha u shabu ta wara l-kwinti jistaw jghidu min fejn gejjin dawn l-ELUF kollha?!?!

Nerga nghid....nispera li jien GIDDIEB u qed nisma HAZIN

issa kiku ghandna 80 elf ewro jew 50 jew 100 elf lilek tamilek diferenza????
qed nigu nitkarbulek biex itijna flusek ha jkolna.qed nihdu xi haga mintijak.
qallura oqod lura sihbij .umbad jajdu li ahna ilsina twil . mhux kollu parolifil vojt dan
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:57 pm

Prosit Laporta. Allura issa bdejtu tidduskutuhom daw l affarijiet.
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:16 pm

ghal l informazjoni tijak sur johnny ahna rinomati li nhalsu fl ahhar ta xhar saqsi il playyers taghna. mela inthom ma jaqblilkomx ha najdlek ax min sorsi ta min jorbot fuqhom anzi min player ta bhara f mejju ha thalsuwhom ituwhom imax fuqom laporta
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:41 pm

@marcam
Tispera xejn.....Jien nista nikkonfermalek li int GIDDIEB.
U dwar l karti, jekk trid nghidlek fejn huma imma nibghatlek PM ghax mhux xieraq niktiblek fejn huma hawn.
Int iehor li dejjem tixtieq d deni lilna l BELTIN imma dahhala f rasek li ahna bhalma jghid l kbir NICKY SALIBA....AHNA KBAR WISQ specjalment ghal erba dilettanti bhalek.
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:14 pm

Prosit l-ahwa. Jidher car li il forums f'Malta huma biss tajbin biex isir tghajjir, jinghadu pastazati u nuru kemm ahna cwiec. L-iskop li tinfetah thread biex wiehed jara xinhuma l-opinjonijiet ta nies li huma verament interessati fil football, u fil gid komuni tal football, specjalment dak Malti ma tinteressakomx milli jider!
Il ligijiet ser ikunu imposti fuqna fil furur qrib, IRRIDU jew Ma IRRIDUX, u ix xhoghol taghna l-klabbs iz zaghar huwa li naghtu feeback lill ECA biex din taghtiha lill UEFA bis suggerimenti taghna.
Ahna l-Maltin le, tant ahna bravi u nafu kollox, u tant minghalina li id dinja iddur wadwarna, jew madwar il klabb taghna rispetativament, nahsbu li ser inbezzghu il kbar. Zgur jieqaf il football minghajrna! Zgur jibkuna jekk nibqghu barra!
Tant kemm ahna immdorrijin nghixu f'inkubu u gewwa vakum protett li issa l-anqas kapaci nidjalogaw mghadna. Ta xejn ilhaqna il qieh tar rankings Ewropej ahna. Min dak li kitbtu xi whud tahseb li jien jew xi collega tieghi ghamluwom ir regoli il godda! Lil dawk li huma Beltin haga nghidilhom. Staqsu lis segretarju taghkom Joe Attard, ragel ta' l-affari tieghu u serju u jghidilkom hu. Bhali ikun prezenti ghall certu laqghat.
Nirringrazzjakom tal feedback siewi taghkom. Ghandi hafna fuq xiex nixtarr!
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:34 pm

Iva john hi mur ghax daqt gej jiffirma michael I'll kazin. Looool
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:44 pm

john borg wrote:
Prosit l-ahwa. Jidher car li il forums f'Malta huma biss tajbin biex isir tghajjir, jinghadu pastazati u nuru kemm ahna cwiec. L-iskop li tinfetah thread biex wiehed jara xinhuma l-opinjonijiet ta nies li huma verament interessati fil football, u fil gid komuni tal football, specjalment dak Malti ma tinteressakomx milli jider!
Il ligijiet ser ikunu imposti fuqna fil furur qrib, IRRIDU jew Ma IRRIDUX, u ix xhoghol taghna l-klabbs iz zaghar huwa li naghtu feeback lill ECA biex din taghtiha lill UEFA bis suggerimenti taghna.
Ahna l-Maltin le, tant ahna bravi u nafu kollox, u tant minghalina li id dinja iddur wadwarna, jew madwar il klabb taghna rispetativament, nahsbu li ser inbezzghu il kbar. Zgur jieqaf il football minghajrna! Zgur jibkuna jekk nibqghu barra!
Tant kemm ahna immdorrijin nghixu f'inkubu u gewwa vakum protett li issa l-anqas kapaci nidjalogaw mghadna. Ta xejn ilhaqna il qieh tar rankings Ewropej ahna. Min dak li kitbtu xi whud tahseb li jien jew xi collega tieghi ghamluwom ir regoli il godda! Lil dawk li huma Beltin haga nghidilhom. Staqsu lis segretarju taghkom Joe Attard, ragel ta' l-affari tieghu u serju u jghidilkom hu. Bhali ikun prezenti ghall certu laqghat.
Nirringrazzjakom tal feedback siewi taghkom. Ghandi hafna fuq xiex nixtarr!


dawn tatiex kashom gbin, dawn sewa qalilom il coach tahom stess li meta jkollom il problemi jivogawh il grawnd...

u qed jizvogaw naqra awnekk uwx john ... ikumpatijom ftit gbin !! Neutral Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:16 pm

Donkom tahsbu li il clubs maltin mixjin fuqq ir rubijni u il belt biss qed tonfoq iktar milli id dahal, nahseb li kulhadd mill gatemony u mill memberships qed ijhalsu lispejes, u tigux tajdu ghax tonfqu inqas ghax xorta blistes mod kif ijgijbu il fluss il belt qed jakwistaw it teams lohra, luniku differenza ijja li il belt ghandom minnfejn iktar phalisa.
Nahseb kiku il clubs ijkolomm biss xjonqfu mill biljetti li ijbijaw tafu ukoll minn ijkollu liktar fluss.
jekk se ijkun hemm regolamenti se ijkunu ghall kulhadd
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:33 pm

John, l-ewwel haga grazzi tal-informazzjoni u tax-xoghol li qed taghmel f'isem il-klabb KOLLHA zghar madwar l-ewropa.

Nixtieq naghmel domanda u forsi twegibni. B'dan ir-regolament tahseb li pajjizi bhalna fejn il-livell huwa dak li hu ha jkun ta' vantagg? Nahseb li l-fatt li l-iskwadra bil-fors irid ikollha ammont ta' plejers li jkunu prodotti mill-klabb hi tajba hafna u tista twassal biex plejers zghar jesponu ruhhom kmieni ghall-loghba fl-ghola livell.
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:00 pm

Degi, personalment nahseb li ir regoli il godda mhumiex ser ikunu detrimentali ghall klabbs zghar hafna bhall klabbs maltin. Iservu pero sabiex tinzamm dixxiplina fiskali specjalment ghall dawk il klabbs li jaspiraw biex jinghataw licenzja tal uefa.
Rigward is squad size limitation, jien personalment nemmen li din tghin biex il players zghar jinghataw aktar spazju biex jikkompetu ghall post fit team.
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PostSubject: Re: Break even rule - squad size limitations - financial sustainability   Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:39 pm

john borg wrote:
Il Uefa qeghda tahdem sabiex tintroduci aktar regolamenti fil licenzji taghha, li huma rikjesti biex team jikkompeti fil kompetizzjonijiet Ewropej.
L-aktar wahda importanti (u ikkomplikata) hija il "break even rule" li ma tippermettix klabbs joperaw bit telf ghall perjodu ta zmien twil u indefinit.
Dan ser issir biex il football ma jibqax jigi ipperikolat min infieq bla razan, dejn inkontrollabbli u metodi ta sostenn finanzjarju li jhallu injection ta flus li mhumiex gejjin mill football, jew min introjtu gej min negozji irreletati mal football, bejh ta players ecc.
Dan bhallissa qieghed jigi diskuss ma l-ECA sabiex l-impatt ma jkunx wiehed hazin ghall klabbs u biex jinghata zmien bizzejjed biex il klabbs jaddottaw ruhom.

Haga importanti ser tkun l-introduzzjoni ta "squad size limitation" li tippermetti kull klabb fit top leagues ta kull pajjiz jirregistra biss 25 player kull stagun, u minn 3 sa 5 f'Jannar. In numru ta players U21 mhux ser ikun inklux f'dan numru.
Dan kollu jfisser li klabbs kbar u sinjuri (jew b'presidenti affluwenti) ma jistghux jixtru kull player li jkun fis suq, b'detriment ghall finanzi ta' l-istess klabb, pero aktar importanti sabiex ma jinholoqx inflazzjoni ta' prezzijiet esagerati ghaliex ikun hemm minn jixtri akkost ta' kollox, li jkun qieghed iservi sabiex johloq super teams li jhallu effett negattiv fuq il kampjonati rispetivvi.
Ma jkunx aktar possibbli li klabb ma jurix ezatt id dhul legittmu tieghu mil football, jew introjtu irreletat mal fooball.

Dan kollu ser jigi introdott mil lis-stagun 2011-12 il quddiem ghaliex il Uefa tibza li bhall ma gara f'setturi ekonomici ohrajn, jista jigri wkoll fil football, li jfisser kollass totali tal football ghaliex hafna klabbs saru jiddependu min sidien sinjuri li jistghu x'hin iridu jiefqu hesrem mill football malli jaraw il maltemp, b'detriment tal klabb, u wisq aktar tal kredituri ta' l-istess klabb.


jien personalment nahseb li dawn ir regoli mhu ser jibdlu xejn u jistghu jibdlu hafna ...

ha nispjega ruhi ahjar. Bhalissa hawn malta ma hawn l-ebda team li ghandu iktar min 25 player, li ghandhom iktar min 21 sena. Anzi nghid haga iktar, qadt ma kien hawn skwadra hekk u probabilment qadt mhu ser ikun hawn!!! u ghalhekk nemmen li din ir regola mhu ser taffettwah xejn lil league (il clubs) malti.

L-ohra li kull club irid ikun finanzjarjament vijabbli. Ovvjament fil principju naqbel maghha din ir regola jien, pero sincerament ... bid dhul mizeru li ghandhom il clubs, u qed nitkellem fuq il clubs principali, kif qadt jista jkun li xi darba ikollna imqar club wiehed vijabbli. Impossibli, u ghalxejn niddiskutu ghax ir rejalta tal football malti hi dik li hi ... u sakemm ma jkun hemm impenn mill assoccjazzjoni (li bhalissa qeghda komda, u ma narax li xi darba ha tbiddel ir rotta), kollox ha jibq kif inhu. Is sitwazzjoni prezenti hija gate money ftit li xejn, min dan il ftit gate money jinqatghu multi ezagerati (bhal fil kaz tas seats li misshom ilhom li inbidlu u kif tmisshom isiru trab) multi fuq kant u tghajjir (bla sens, qisna qed naraw loghba football it teatru manoel, daqt nibdew nitilghu il ground bil glekk u l-ingravata), dhul mizeru min tv rights (xi Lm500 ta kull loghba li tintwera) u il flus min bejgh ta souveniers (cucata ohra). Allura b'dawn qadt xi darba nistghu inzommu il clubs fuq saqajhom????
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